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		<title>Comment on In Memoriam: Don Calamar by Honoring Don Calamar &#124; AnaElisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honoring Don Calamar &#124; AnaElisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am so very grateful to have had a person like Don in my life, especially as a guiding force in my photojournalism career. Thank you for reading this [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Adagio for Bob Potter by timallison</title>
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		<dc:creator>timallison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was thinking about Bob fondly this week.  As we enter the final stage of the Obama campaign part two, I couldn&#039;t help but smile remembering Bob&#039;s efforts at signing up hoards of volunteers to travel to NV to campaign.  Those of us who travelled to Pahrump, NV, especially, will never forget the experience.  I feel fortunate to have had Bob on the campaign team and as a friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was thinking about Bob fondly this week.  As we enter the final stage of the Obama campaign part two, I couldn&#8217;t help but smile remembering Bob&#8217;s efforts at signing up hoards of volunteers to travel to NV to campaign.  Those of us who travelled to Pahrump, NV, especially, will never forget the experience.  I feel fortunate to have had Bob on the campaign team and as a friend.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Positively Occupied, November 14th 7pm by prometheuspan</title>
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		<dc:creator>prometheuspan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 06:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me, Lane, that I&#039;m right back where I started in 2003. What is the positive goal of Occupy? What was the positive goal of Arlington West? And what string of causes and effects turn our actions into a process that will be likely in a strategic manner to achieve those goals?

No matter how many times I find myself here its always the same thing. There is enormous work involved in making meaningful positive social change, and protesting and hanging out in the parks is not doing that work. 

In 2003 I predicted that Arlington West would not be successful in stopping or altering the course of the War and was shut down, silenced, and shut out by you and others. so determined was everyone to march on with the protest and manner and modus operandi of it that nobody was up for the discussion of what meaningful strategy towards change would really consist of. Time After time I pleaded, begged, cajoled, put forth work that was ignored, Even as I carried out crosses and flags and played taps on my Clarinet, I was persona non grata. To be tolerated, but not listened to. Brushed Aside and placated, Used for time and energy and then thrown under the bus where my ideas or more intellectual contributions were concerned. 

History has a habit of recycling over and over until the lesson is learned. The Occupy has not done its homework, and it doesn&#039;t want to do its homework. The Veterans for Peace may consist of older and more mature people in general, but the problem is still the same. Nobody actually listens to people like me as I put forth the real solutions. Nobody wants to take the time and energy to actually STOP THE MADNESS. Its too important to have the drama, too important to have the noise, Too important to make that next headline in the paper (so we hope...) And not nearly important enough to Check ourselves into a direct democracy and science centered problem solving process.

As I struggle once again for lucidity, for sanity, for a path of right action, with everyone else sure I&#039;m just easier to ignore, I&#039;d like to again make the point. It would be nice to have REAL allies in this work, to have people I could depend on in my effort to save the humans, and people to make it happen. It could happen so very quickly with so few people. Or, Never, at all, playing symbolic protest games with tents or crosses or Guy Fawkes masks.

I spent all week working on Workshop Presentations only to find out that nobody is behind me or taking it seriously.

Maybe the Veterans for Peace can make good on the work trade they would owe me for dozens of hours of time I gave them for symbolic gestures and come help with the wiki, so that I can make a case, both to the anarchists and the police, that this can all of it be non violent and evolutionary instead of confrontational and caste war.

Or ...maybe not...I&#039;m trying to stop having any positive expectations or hopes, because humans pretty much always prove that i can never underestimate their propensity to mis prioritize whats really important.

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Non_Violence_Theory,_Practice,_Ethics,_and_Protest_Communication

I shouldn&#039;t have to do this alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me, Lane, that I&#8217;m right back where I started in 2003. What is the positive goal of Occupy? What was the positive goal of Arlington West? And what string of causes and effects turn our actions into a process that will be likely in a strategic manner to achieve those goals?</p>
<p>No matter how many times I find myself here its always the same thing. There is enormous work involved in making meaningful positive social change, and protesting and hanging out in the parks is not doing that work. </p>
<p>In 2003 I predicted that Arlington West would not be successful in stopping or altering the course of the War and was shut down, silenced, and shut out by you and others. so determined was everyone to march on with the protest and manner and modus operandi of it that nobody was up for the discussion of what meaningful strategy towards change would really consist of. Time After time I pleaded, begged, cajoled, put forth work that was ignored, Even as I carried out crosses and flags and played taps on my Clarinet, I was persona non grata. To be tolerated, but not listened to. Brushed Aside and placated, Used for time and energy and then thrown under the bus where my ideas or more intellectual contributions were concerned. </p>
<p>History has a habit of recycling over and over until the lesson is learned. The Occupy has not done its homework, and it doesn&#8217;t want to do its homework. The Veterans for Peace may consist of older and more mature people in general, but the problem is still the same. Nobody actually listens to people like me as I put forth the real solutions. Nobody wants to take the time and energy to actually STOP THE MADNESS. Its too important to have the drama, too important to have the noise, Too important to make that next headline in the paper (so we hope&#8230;) And not nearly important enough to Check ourselves into a direct democracy and science centered problem solving process.</p>
<p>As I struggle once again for lucidity, for sanity, for a path of right action, with everyone else sure I&#8217;m just easier to ignore, I&#8217;d like to again make the point. It would be nice to have REAL allies in this work, to have people I could depend on in my effort to save the humans, and people to make it happen. It could happen so very quickly with so few people. Or, Never, at all, playing symbolic protest games with tents or crosses or Guy Fawkes masks.</p>
<p>I spent all week working on Workshop Presentations only to find out that nobody is behind me or taking it seriously.</p>
<p>Maybe the Veterans for Peace can make good on the work trade they would owe me for dozens of hours of time I gave them for symbolic gestures and come help with the wiki, so that I can make a case, both to the anarchists and the police, that this can all of it be non violent and evolutionary instead of confrontational and caste war.</p>
<p>Or &#8230;maybe not&#8230;I&#8217;m trying to stop having any positive expectations or hopes, because humans pretty much always prove that i can never underestimate their propensity to mis prioritize whats really important.</p>
<p><a href="http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Non_Violence_Theory,_Practice,_Ethics,_and_Protest_Communication" rel="nofollow">http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Non_Violence_Theory,_Practice,_Ethics,_and_Protest_Communication</a></p>
<p>I shouldn&#8217;t have to do this alone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Occupy Wall Street and Santa Barbara by potterma</title>
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		<dc:creator>potterma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The struggle continues: 
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/27/iraq_war_vet_hospitalized_with_fractured

see also this inspiring interview with Brian Wilson from Democracy Now! today:

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/28/blood_on_the_tracks_brian_willsons

sending love out to all the brave vets for peace!

Maria Potter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The struggle continues:<br />
<a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/27/iraq_war_vet_hospitalized_with_fractured" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/27/iraq_war_vet_hospitalized_with_fractured</a></p>
<p>see also this inspiring interview with Brian Wilson from Democracy Now! today:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/28/blood_on_the_tracks_brian_willsons" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/28/blood_on_the_tracks_brian_willsons</a></p>
<p>sending love out to all the brave vets for peace!</p>
<p>Maria Potter</p>
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		<title>Comment on Philippines Four Months In by jovie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jovie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi lane, jovie here, how are you? I hope your enjoying your trip. Wish you all the best Lane... Let&#039;s keep in touch sometimes. Take care always, keep safe and enjoy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi lane, jovie here, how are you? I hope your enjoying your trip. Wish you all the best Lane&#8230; Let&#8217;s keep in touch sometimes. Take care always, keep safe and enjoy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Case Against Motherhood by jenius</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did not have to go to the Philippines to witness exploitation, motherhood, and focus on the family.  It&#039;s all in the U.S. Lane.  You can see the same effects in Los Angeles, California which borders Tiajuana now from so much population.  Fathers are already in prison in California which leads the world in imprisonment.  There are lots of fat people here living off of the servitude of the poor.  Here, we say, &quot;A hundred people&#039;s loss, is one person&#039;s gain.&quot;  It&#039;s based on capitalism and Darwin.  In economics and business schools, we learn cost control, how to take advantage of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did not have to go to the Philippines to witness exploitation, motherhood, and focus on the family.  It&#8217;s all in the U.S. Lane.  You can see the same effects in Los Angeles, California which borders Tiajuana now from so much population.  Fathers are already in prison in California which leads the world in imprisonment.  There are lots of fat people here living off of the servitude of the poor.  Here, we say, &#8220;A hundred people&#8217;s loss, is one person&#8217;s gain.&#8221;  It&#8217;s based on capitalism and Darwin.  In economics and business schools, we learn cost control, how to take advantage of others.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wake-up Rally by landerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>landerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 03:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish I could be there.  On Leyte in Tacloban now, heading to Samar tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish I could be there.  On Leyte in Tacloban now, heading to Samar tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Three Thousand Deaths: A Poem by Bob Potter by Sherry Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss you Bob.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Veterans Day or Armistice? by Steve Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does one have to be a Veteran to post here?  Well, Ok, Ill take a shot.  After all, I agree with every word Lane said, which shows that I have the qualification of sanity. :) I love his line that War is obsolete. And the one about disliking the glorification of war. And did you know that war was harmful to children and other living things?

I have talked to hundreds of passersby on Sundays over the years at Arlington West and half of them just shrug and say well sometimes we have to do it (have a war) and &quot;its always been with us&quot;. I liked John Lennon&#039;s son&#039;s recent line that if people were as desiring of peace as of having a color tv, there would be peace. But too many people just shrug.  Hail to the Veterans For Peace. 

Well at least there is hope. It was on veterans day last year I believe that I went to the Courthouse to amid all the Vets and the orchestra played John Lennon&#039;s Imagine, imagining a  world without war.

Steve Lord</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does one have to be a Veteran to post here?  Well, Ok, Ill take a shot.  After all, I agree with every word Lane said, which shows that I have the qualification of sanity. :) I love his line that War is obsolete. And the one about disliking the glorification of war. And did you know that war was harmful to children and other living things?</p>
<p>I have talked to hundreds of passersby on Sundays over the years at Arlington West and half of them just shrug and say well sometimes we have to do it (have a war) and &#8220;its always been with us&#8221;. I liked John Lennon&#8217;s son&#8217;s recent line that if people were as desiring of peace as of having a color tv, there would be peace. But too many people just shrug.  Hail to the Veterans For Peace. </p>
<p>Well at least there is hope. It was on veterans day last year I believe that I went to the Courthouse to amid all the Vets and the orchestra played John Lennon&#8217;s Imagine, imagining a  world without war.</p>
<p>Steve Lord</p>
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		<title>Comment on Veterans Day or Armistice? by Craig Cummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the heartfelt and appropriate message for this Veterans Day.</description>
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